Some witnesses changed their story during Darren Wilson testimony

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ST. LOUIS, Mo. — The release of testimony before the grand jury shed new light on the differences and perhaps some similarities from more than 4500 pages of grand jury testimony from witnesses in the Michael Brown shooting.

The documents revealed there were witnesses who flat-out changed their stories about Mike Brown having his hands up in a position of surrender; one witness who told police she saw Brown’s hands up admitted to the grand jury she lied to police and never even saw the shooting.

Questions mostly focused on what happened after Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson got out of his police SUV and shot Brown.

Brown attacked Wilson while the officer was still in his vehicle.

Photos of Darren Wilson and supporting medical documents show the wounds he suffered were not serious.

Wilson told the grand jury, “…I felt like a five-year-old holding onto Hulk Hogan…”

Brown as 6’4 and 285 pounds and Wilson is 6’4 210 pounds.
Evidence showed Brown apparently did try to get the officer’s gun. Evidence showed Brown was shot in the hand inside the vehicle at a distance of 6-9 inches,

Accounts vary after Brown ran from the SUV and Wilson got out of the car.

Wilson testified Brown turned and charged toward him.

Wilson said, “…it looked like he was almost bulking up to run through the shots…I tell him to get on the ground, get on the ground, he still keeps coming at me…I know if he reaches me, he’ll kill me…(his one hand) is in his waistband under his shirt…”

Several witnesses admitted Mike Brown did not have his hands up in a surrender position; his hands were extended outward at head or shoulder level.

Most witnesses denied Wilson’s assertion that Brown was charging the officer when Wilson fired the final and fatal shots.

“… (he was) looking at his body to try to see where he was shot…no, no, his arms never went down to reach for his belt…he started to stagger forward, the officer was moving back, and the officer told him to stop, stop, stop…Michael was still trying to stay on his feet…he couldn’t hardly stand up,” one said.

Another resident said it was Wilson walking toward Brown, as Brown held his ground.

“…as the bullets was hitting him, you saw like a little smoke coming from his chest… (Wilson) was steady moving … towards Mike Brown,” the witness said.

A visitor to the Canfield apartment complex said Brown was moving toward Wilson, but not charging him. “(Wilson) just kept shooting. And I asked my husband … ‘why won’t that boy (Brown) stop?’

Still, a witness in a car told the grand jurors: “I thought he was trying to charge him at first because the only thing I kept saying was, ‘is he crazy? Why don’t he just stop instead of running…’”

A witness who said Brown never reached into his waist-band admitted: “maybe he thought that Michael was coming at him as big as he is, he could still do some harm to him … that’s why he felt like he had to use deadly force.”

21 comments

  • Paul

    And yet a large segment of America inspite of the evidence still want to take the side of a thug, and then they wonder why people stereotype them as possibly being criminals.

  • Ron

    When a cop is holding a gun on you he is afraid for his life. If he give you an order, I don’t care what color you are, you had better comply or suffer the consequences.

  • Sid Stansbury

    The old hand in waistband get out of jail free card is getting old…he threw that in for good measure if all else failed

    • LogicIsYourFriend

      Actually, the “hand in the waistband,” combined with autopsy evidence, contradicts Wilson’s claim he didn’t shoot at Brown while he was running away. Here’s why…

      1. Brown was shot in the dorsal (back) side of his right forearm. The ME claimed this didn’t prove the shot came from the back because the freedom of movement of the arm can, absent other evidence, present the dorsal side of the forearm to the front.

      2. But that’s not possible if the hand is tucked into the waistband. With the arm’s movement thus constrained, the dorsal side of the forearm is forced to face backward.

      Therefore, if Wilson is telling the truth about where Brown’s hand was, then he’s lying about not shooting him while Brown ran away, because the only way Brown’s arm could have been hit as it was is if the shot came from behind.

      Contrarywise, if Wilson’s telling the truth about when he shot Brown, then he’s lying about the hand in the waistband.

      Either way, he’s a liar.

      • Maurice Gibb

        . . . unless the shot to the forearm occurred at a time OTHER than when he went to his waistband . . . duh

  • Maurice Gibb

    A while back WREG ran a story that included a link to the grand jury transcripts. I’m currently on Volume 7, around 1100-1200 pages in. I plan to finish reading it, but if I had to stop now I’d side with the cop. I mean it isn’t even a close call. “Witnesses” have lied to the local PD and they suddenly start to remember when they talk to the FBI. Other witnesses report intimidation from the ghettoites, yet they still come forward to testify with THE TRUTH: Michael Brown attacked that cop in his car and then charged him after trying to flee unsuccessfully. He got shot for being stupid and making stupid decisions.

    Wanna’ talk about what you think or what you know? READ THE EVIDENCE.

  • Rosy

    From Grand Jury testimony = Volume 7, pages 91-152 (says Brown shot on spot where he had ran to) LIAR.. Volume 13, pages 199-202 (said she lied about everything – told what Dorian Johnson told her to say) LIAR…. Volume 15, page 88 (TRUTH)… Volume 16, page 32 (mentally ill) LIAR… Volume 16, page 73 (admitted he lied about everything) LIAR… Volume 11, pages 73-79 (lied about everything, saw nothing, just wanted to be part of it) LIAR… Volume 20, pages 168-196 (lied about everything to everybody… news and FBI) LIAR!!! SO truth be told… these people are RIOTING over LIES… What a bunch of idiots… THEY all need to be put in cages (JAIL!)

  • LogicIsYourFriend

    Correct – and one witness who changed his story was Wilson – from knowing nothing about the convenience store robbery until after Brown was dead (as testified under oath by his supervisor), to being the the primary reason he backed his SUV up and stopped Brown and Johnson.

    Why? Obviously to better justify his pursuit and killing of the fleeing Brown.

    • Maurice Gibb

      That is incorrect. His supervisor may have testified to something and then Wilson testified differently, but that doesn’t mean he lied it only means the supervisor wasn’t aware of Wilson’s knowledge of the incident at the time he testified.

      Several of the witnesses were caught lying by the physical evidence and/or their own stupidity.

      • LogicIsYourFriend

        Nope. Please refer to pages 52 (lines 14-25) and 53 (1-3) of Volume 5 of the GJ transcript. Wilson’s supervisor’s testimony is specifically (and repeatedly) that Wilson explicitly told him he knew nothing of the stealing until after the killing of Brown – that he never heard the call.

        So Wilson may be lying, or the supervisor may be lying. But one of them is – and only Wilson has motive, so he’s my pick.

      • Maurice Gibb

        You said: “Correct – and one witness who changed his story was Wilson”

        Whose testimony CHANGED? No one’s. One person testified to something that they couldn’t have known and/or speculated on and another testified to what he knew. No changes in testimony whatsoever. So, you are incorrect.

      • Maurice Gibb

        His testimony is nothing like you described it here. His testimony is NOT, as you say, “Wilson explicitly told him he knew nothing of the stealing until after the killing of Brown – that he never heard the call.” It is actually HIM saying twice that Wilson knew nothing of the stealing, not Wilson.
        -He never answered the question that was asked of him directly; and
        -One person can’t testify as to what another person KNOWS unless they told them first hand.

        So Wilson’s testimony remains unchanged. Sorry if that bugs you but we can’t manipulate the truth just to demonize a cop that shot some stranger in another state.

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